Comments on: Obama and Clinton http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/ Anecdotes From the Mother of Three Boys Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:41:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Lynette Chandler http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-280 Lynette Chandler Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:03:09 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-280 Pakistan - a Muslim nation had a woman leader years and years ago. Not saying it was easy for her (God bless her soul) but we, a (supposedly) advanced, modernized first world nation still have issues about women leaders... makes you wonder doesn't it? Pakistan – a Muslim nation had a woman leader years and years ago. Not saying it was easy for her (God bless her soul) but we, a (supposedly) advanced, modernized first world nation still have issues about women leaders… makes you wonder doesn’t it?

]]> By: Sharon http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-279 Sharon Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:01:42 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-279 Nell - good rant but Obama or his declared supporters aren't to blame for the Hillary issue - he and even McCain in some respects are as strong a candidate as she is. But there is a terrible problem in this country when it comes to women leaders. I have been commenting for years about this unfounded hatred of Hillary. Sadly I've seen this in corporate America all too often. I've worked under some really wonderful female corporate leaders. In fact in my humble opinion they worked far harder than their male counter parts and predecesors...yet they were called every nasty name in the book because of their decisiveness and thoroughness. Totally unfair. But that's where we are in our cultural evolution. Because I've been embroiled in this Hillary issue for years, it's not shocking to me. I know this is the stuff we've got to work through. I'm currently part of a group trying to do something about violence against women in the media and you'd be shocked at how blase some men (and even women) are about this. Anyhow I thought I'd add that these are by far not the WORST candidates we've had. There have been plenty of inept presidents in recent years and I think the current slate of candidates outdo many of those gentlemen. Nell – good rant but Obama or his declared supporters aren’t to blame for the Hillary issue – he and even McCain in some respects are as strong a candidate as she is. But there is a terrible problem in this country when it comes to women leaders. I have been commenting for years about this unfounded hatred of Hillary. Sadly I’ve seen this in corporate America all too often. I’ve worked under some really wonderful female corporate leaders. In fact in my humble opinion they worked far harder than their male counter parts and predecesors…yet they were called every nasty name in the book because of their decisiveness and thoroughness.

Totally unfair. But that’s where we are in our cultural evolution. Because I’ve been embroiled in this Hillary issue for years, it’s not shocking to me. I know this is the stuff we’ve got to work through. I’m currently part of a group trying to do something about violence against women in the media and you’d be shocked at how blase some men (and even women) are about this.

Anyhow I thought I’d add that these are by far not the WORST candidates we’ve had. There have been plenty of inept presidents in recent years and I think the current slate of candidates outdo many of those gentlemen.

]]> By: Michele http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-278 Michele Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:55:06 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-278 I raise my glass to Nell. I tried to keep my post neutral as well, but I'm pretty sure you could figure out who I voted for as well. :-) I'm loving all your comments. I especially find Alyssa's interesting. I never thought about it that way, but I'm sure you aren't the only one basing your vote on those feelings. No matter who eventually wins the Presidency, they will no doubt to damage somewhere at some time. It's inevitable because as humans, we all do it. The thing is though, we've got to decide which person we can count on in a crisis and not blow pretty smelling flowers up our butts while we get sucked down the drain. I personally think Obama has missed his real calling. Do you see it? I do. I hope he realizes it before it's killed by politics. I raise my glass to Nell. I tried to keep my post neutral as well, but I’m pretty sure you could figure out who I voted for as well. :-)

I’m loving all your comments. I especially find Alyssa’s interesting. I never thought about it that way, but I’m sure you aren’t the only one basing your vote on those feelings.

No matter who eventually wins the Presidency, they will no doubt to damage somewhere at some time. It’s inevitable because as humans, we all do it. The thing is though, we’ve got to decide which person we can count on in a crisis and not blow pretty smelling flowers up our butts while we get sucked down the drain.

I personally think Obama has missed his real calling. Do you see it? I do. I hope he realizes it before it’s killed by politics.

]]> By: Nell Taliercio http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-281 Nell Taliercio Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:20:14 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-281 I'm sick of all the sexist bull crap that has been going around. I've seen so much about Hillary being a bitch, being the devil and NO ONE can say anything remotely as insulting about Obama without holy living hell coming down on them. And that's how it SHOULD be but it should be the same for her, too. I have to agree that they both have their faults, but I have my opinion on who would run this country better and sadly I don't think they'll get it...I can imagine you've got a good guess who I'm talking about. You will when you read the rest of this comment. LOL I know there is still racism in this country. I know that each race has their biggots. But I've seen a lot more blatant sexism during this election and it turns my stomach. I can't tell you how many times I've logged into my yahoo page and seen the popular pic of the day being Hillary in front of a devil face. I went to a site that has election gear for sale ... everyday people like you and I create the stuff to sell. I browse around Obama's stuff and it's all glowing and wonderful and sweet and perfect. Change this and hope that. I browse through Hillary's and it's a good mix of nice and down right disgusting and hateful. One even said "bro's before ho's"! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Can you imagine what would happen if someone created a shirt about Obama using some rasicist term? Maybe they have, but I've never run into one. How in the world is it alright to call Hillary a HO?! Listen, I'm not saying that there aren't some nasty things being said about Obama behind closed doors or even in public (although I've personally not heard anything as bad as what has been directed towards Hillary in public), but the things that have been said about Hillary anger me....probably more so because it's rare that anyone publically stand up and call fowl about the whole thing. I'm just saddened by it all. Even my husband has noticed how sexist our country (or maybe I should say the media and those who create tshirts (lol) are) is. I've never been one of those feminist that call fowl on things going on with women...until this election...when it has been slapped across my face how far we still have to come as women. UGH, Sorry to rant on top of your rant. ;) I guess I've really needed to get this off my shoulders. Hope you didn't mind too much ;) I’m sick of all the sexist bull crap that has been going around. I’ve seen so much about Hillary being a bitch, being the devil and NO ONE can say anything remotely as insulting about Obama without holy living hell coming down on them. And that’s how it SHOULD be but it should be the same for her, too.

I have to agree that they both have their faults, but I have my opinion on who would run this country better and sadly I don’t think they’ll get it…I can imagine you’ve got a good guess who I’m talking about. You will when you read the rest of this comment. LOL

I know there is still racism in this country. I know that each race has their biggots. But I’ve seen a lot more blatant sexism during this election and it turns my stomach. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve logged into my yahoo page and seen the popular pic of the day being Hillary in front of a devil face.

I went to a site that has election gear for sale … everyday people like you and I create the stuff to sell. I browse around Obama’s stuff and it’s all glowing and wonderful and sweet and perfect. Change this and hope that.

I browse through Hillary’s and it’s a good mix of nice and down right disgusting and hateful. One even said “bro’s before ho’s”! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Can you imagine what would happen if someone created a shirt about Obama using some rasicist term? Maybe they have, but I’ve never run into one. How in the world is it alright to call Hillary a HO?!

Listen, I’m not saying that there aren’t some nasty things being said about Obama behind closed doors or even in public (although I’ve personally not heard anything as bad as what has been directed towards Hillary in public), but the things that have been said about Hillary anger me….probably more so because it’s rare that anyone publically stand up and call fowl about the whole thing.

I’m just saddened by it all. Even my husband has noticed how sexist our country (or maybe I should say the media and those who create tshirts (lol) are) is. I’ve never been one of those feminist that call fowl on things going on with women…until this election…when it has been slapped across my face how far we still have to come as women.

UGH, Sorry to rant on top of your rant. ;) I guess I’ve really needed to get this off my shoulders. Hope you didn’t mind too much ;)

]]> By: Tishia Lee http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-282 Tishia Lee Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:01:57 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-282 Great post Chele! Very well said and oh so true the points you brought up. I'm ashamed to admit that at 33 I have never used my right to vote. I decided that this was the year I was going to start because it is my right and something I should of taken seriously way before now. The thing is being 'new' to all this political stuff I'm overwhelmed with everything and have no clue which candidate is feeding a line of BS or being true. It's definitely a hard decision to make. And I certainly WILL NOT vote for someone because of their race or sex, that isn't even something that I'm paying attention to. Sure I think it'd be cool to have a woman for president but that doesn't make me want to vote for Hilary just because she's a woman. Great post Chele! Very well said and oh so true the points you brought up. I’m ashamed to admit that at 33 I have never used my right to vote. I decided that this was the year I was going to start because it is my right and something I should of taken seriously way before now. The thing is being ‘new’ to all this political stuff I’m overwhelmed with everything and have no clue which candidate is feeding a line of BS or being true. It’s definitely a hard decision to make. And I certainly WILL NOT vote for someone because of their race or sex, that isn’t even something that I’m paying attention to. Sure I think it’d be cool to have a woman for president but that doesn’t make me want to vote for Hilary just because she’s a woman.

]]> By: Alice http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-277 Alice Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:53:32 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-277 As a Canadian who is affected quite a bit by the political climate and government in the United States, there is no perfection. I've never met a politician I'd stand behind 100%. It's tough in the U.S. because it seems like mud-slinging is encouraged (or even required...LOL) and it gets to tough see what's really going on. Regardless, I am hopeful that your upcoming election will bring about some positive changes that are very much needed...for both the American people and us to the North. As a Canadian who is affected quite a bit by the political climate and government in the United States, there is no perfection. I’ve never met a politician I’d stand behind 100%. It’s tough in the U.S. because it seems like mud-slinging is encouraged (or even required…LOL) and it gets to tough see what’s really going on.

Regardless, I am hopeful that your upcoming election will bring about some positive changes that are very much needed…for both the American people and us to the North.

]]> By: CaraM http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-286 CaraM Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:40:40 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-286 Why is it that when a man is aggressive he's strong, but when a woman is, she's a bitch? I feel for Hilary and think she's handling herself well. As far as Obama, I think you're right Chele. He's a good talker - a sales man. And he has great PR. We need to stop looking at who is black or white, who is man or woman, and start looking at who is a leader. That is who we need to run our country. Why is it that when a man is aggressive he’s strong, but when a woman is, she’s a bitch? I feel for Hilary and think she’s handling herself well. As far as Obama, I think you’re right Chele. He’s a good talker – a sales man. And he has great PR.
We need to stop looking at who is black or white, who is man or woman, and start looking at who is a leader. That is who we need to run our country.

]]> By: quiet-mom.com » Blog Archive » So is that racist or??? http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-285 quiet-mom.com » Blog Archive » So is that racist or??? Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:30:50 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-285 [...] appreciated what Chele had to say here although I disagree that we should make Oprah run… that’s just [...] [...] appreciated what Chele had to say here although I disagree that we should make Oprah run… that’s just [...]

]]> By: Alyssa http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-284 Alyssa Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:06:46 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-284 You raised some good points Chele. I have issues with this year's presidential race but for some very different reasons than 'you. Let's just say I'm far more conservative than any of those running for president so I just wonder who the lesser of the evils are. It truly scares me what the future of our country could hold. You raised some good points Chele. I have issues with this year’s presidential race but for some very different reasons than ‘you. Let’s just say I’m far more conservative than any of those running for president so I just wonder who the lesser of the evils are. It truly scares me what the future of our country could hold.

]]> By: Christina @ Wonder Years Radio http://goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-283 Christina @ Wonder Years Radio Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:58:38 +0000 http://www.goodbirthcontrol.com/blog/obama-and-clinton/#comment-283 You raise a LOT of good points, Chele! It's getting harder and harder to sort through the BS and figure out what these candidates REALLY are about. For some reason all that filters through my brain is all the bad things they can say about each other. How about some real issues??? And that goes for ALL politicians, not just democrats. Also, we teach our kids that it's not nice to call people names, so why on earth do we accept it as acceptable practice for grown adults who should know better? You raise a LOT of good points, Chele! It’s getting harder and harder to sort through the BS and figure out what these candidates REALLY are about. For some reason all that filters through my brain is all the bad things they can say about each other. How about some real issues???

And that goes for ALL politicians, not just democrats. Also, we teach our kids that it’s not nice to call people names, so why on earth do we accept it as acceptable practice for grown adults who should know better?

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